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leader eric cantor was on morning joe talking about the grover norquist tax pledge and whether he like other republicans would be willing to jump ship. here is his answer. >> there is a lot that has been said about this pledge and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected and re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> the majority of those who distanced themselves from norquist so far have been senate gop members, not house gop members. do you think that speaker boehner and congressman cantor, do you think they can make any leeway with the caucus on a tax increase? >> well, only time will tell. this is the big question. you're asking the big question because the speaker has set the right tone. now it is time for the right substance. now it is time for the speaker to put his plan on the table. after all, the president hasn't been secret about his plan. the president's plan is there for everybody to see, every american can go to the president's budget plan to see his combination of tax increases on the wealthy in addi
of republicans break with grover norquist on this anti-tax pledge. now, whether you see some equivalent movement on the democratic and liberal side on entitlement reform, that's where the key to the deal will be. >> eamon, we'll get to grover. i want to go to jody first on the idea of wealthier people paying their share. as the obama campaign and obama white house, do you think they have found the right balance on messaging about their millionaire friends who are willing to pay more? >> they're certainly more successful than they were during the debt negotiations in the summer of 2011. some democrats are saying, it's okay, we can go over the fiscal cliff, things will be easier for us that way. i'm not sure if that's true when you look at the president. the president has such a rare chance here. the debt ceiling crisis was the nadear of the obama administration. he had come to washington to unify the city and yet he couldn't get republicans and democrats to sit down and agree to a common sense agreement. he has the chance to do that now. there is a developing consensus to raise taxes in washingto
mitchell live in washington. congress is back. grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i think it will
not to raise taxes. that promise, that pledge, the brain child of anti-tax activist grover norquist, a long-time power broker in the gop. but the vote faced its first test last week when senator saxby chambliss said he was ready to break the promise. congressman king -- now senator lindsey graham has become the latest republican to say he would violate the pledge if democrats also showed willingness to rein in the nation's debt. >> i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country. only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >>> >> let's bring in cnn political editor paul steinhauser. three republican lawmakers. it's not exactly a rebellion, right? >> not a rebellion yet. grover norquist, carol, was on cnn on "starting point" just an hour ago. he said you know what? if any of these lawmakers do make the pledge they have explaining to do to their voters. take a listen. >> if you want to go to your voters and say i promised you this and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don'
's a republican. that thee gop's say fiscal cliff deal is what defined grover norquist. let's hear congressman pete king of new york, a republican. he was on meet the press yesterday. [video clip] >> i agree entirely it. if i were in congress in 1941, i would have signed a declaration of war against japan. i would not attack japan today. the world has changed. i think everything should be on the table. i am opposed to tax increases. the speaker and majority leader and the president will be in a room trying to find the best package. we should not take ironclad positions. i would say john boehner has put together pretty good package and has been conciliatory in his language. host: that was yesterday. we are asking republicans what you think about indications from some republicans that they are willing to break their anti-tax pledge. here's the washington post story -- we will go to the phones to hear from kiev and, joining us from stafford, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. if you listen very carefully, peter keane and even saxon chambliss and lindsey graham all said the same thing.
. this pledge, this grover norquist pledge, how important is it to the republican party? >> i think it's very important. >> do you think it's important for people who signed the pledge to keep it? >> i think it's important to remember the problem we have which is a spending problem and, frankly, i think we look at it in terms of any family. if your family is going into debt, the first thing you do is say, hey, dad, get a second is job and raise more revenue. you look at the family budget and say how do we cut? where do we get back? once that's done, we are still a little short to pay down the debt, how can we bring in more revenue? so i think before -- for a lot of these members of congress who have committed to saying the problem is spending, we need to reform our out-of-control entitlements, that's where the focus should be. >> the base of the democratic party going to allow the president some leeway on this? >> we need to have everything on the table. let's be clear. >> social security? >> s ocial security is not contributing to the current debt or the deficit. social security is something
for americans for tax reform and the zealot could be pumped. grover norquist himself on what appears to be a revolt on the right, half dozen republican senators would have disown add pledge that isn't feasible now including oklahoma senator coburn, arizona's john mccain, south carolina's graham, idaho's crapo, tennessee's alexander, and georgia's sam bliss. it is not that they have all become antipledge, more like, well, antisweeping pledge. particularly the party of that pledge that called for resisting any move to end any tax break. to hear georgia's chambliss, too rigid, too inflexible, noting times have changed significantly, and i care more about my country than i do about a to-year-old pledge. if so, so what now? norquist in a second, to bob on republicans increasingly happy to make grover the grinch. what do we make of this? what is going on? >>guest: republicans lost the election. it was about tax policy. most republicans want to get a deal they have to give something up. they will want something in run so if they bend on taxes they will want an entitlement reform, so, that i
. dagen: im dagen mcdowell. warren buffett lays into grover norquist. he is here to respond. connell: $250,000. is there any chance that number will go off? dagen: a company ordering workers to get flu shots or lose their job. connell: the rush to get the gifts for the holidays. it is cyber monday. dagen: just remember connell mcshane, you are getting nothing from me. talking about wider markets. nicole: some of the traders, do not forget, last week we were gaining 3.3% on the dow jones industrials. right at that 1400 mark. hitting some key resistant levels. likely to see a little bit of a pullback. the trend is still to the upside. as far as the major market average, you are seeing the dow and s&p down a half of a percent each. i want to take a look at abercrombie and fitch. , that insiders, they talk about the fact that abercrombie was the clear winner of the weekend stops. connell: grover norquist. here is what he said this morning. >> supposed an investor that you admire and trust comes to you saying this is a good idea i think you should think about it. it all depends on what my tax r
of the fiscal cliff deal and? we chambliss has argued grover norquist has no plan to pay down the that. >> i will violate the pledge for the good of the country only if democrats and do entitlement reform really pledge to avoid the grief. melissa: but grover norquist fired back today. >> for the last 20 years they have kept the pledge and however that and the tax issue are very, very powerful. >> they will keep it again? >> so does it still hold weight to? lou dobbs is year. >> he says it is very, very powerful and at that he did not say it was powerfully relevant. it seems the republican party should pay attention. the sunday talk show host the content and guest does not materialize. it is an agenda for those talk-show host to pursue the attack is laughable because it is the add-on of organizing four obama. this is silly and grover norquist is engaging and they play their parts in their farce. the choice that has to be made in our current political system, the choice is the politicians will be honest to acknowledge the government cannot continue to grow, it cannot maintain its current size
jersey congressman bill pascrell will be joining us, grover norquist, jamie rubin, dr. hanan ashrawi, will be our guest, peter billingsley from a christmas story, and grinle college hoops star jack taylor. remember him? big game he had the other day. and the one and only tony bennett, monday, november 26th. welcome, everybody, "starting point" this morning. is that a hint of compromise in the air on capitol hill? 35 days left till we reach the fiscal cliff. and a couple of key republicans are now suggesting that they're willing to forego their no tax pledge to try to get a budget deal done and avoid massive tax hikes, and spending cuts that will come in the new year. brand-new cnn/orc poll shows that is, in fact, affecting the american people. 68% say they believe falling off the fiscal cliff could trigger major problems for the country, maybe even a crisis. brings us to dan lothian at the white house this morning. dan, good morning. senate goes back to work this afternoon. the house will return tomorrow. what could really be done by lame duck congress? >> well, look, the hope is tha
to the grover norquist-created pledge not to raise taxes. but current economic reality is setting in and conservatives are starting to stray with conditions. here is south carolina senator lindsey graham. >> ly violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> that's a whole nother conversation. on the issue of taxes warren buffett has written an op-ed in "the new york times" today renewing his stire to see taxes go up on people like him and him himself. in the op-ed he says people who make between a million and $10 million should see their taxable rate go up to 30% and those who make more than $10 million should be taxed at 35%. we'll be back after the break. see you on the other side. as i looked out across the battlefield at antietam. i saw the future of one great nation. but only barely, because the sun was like, way in my grill. george mcclellan, the general, hands me his pair of foster grant sunglasses, and i could see! my wife, mary todd, found them so fetching. >>
putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the houpts. >>> keeping home and change alive. president obama's aits are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to bin the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> get ready for some more partisan agendas in the state governments across the country. that's because some january at least 37 states will be under single party control. 37 of them. with one party holding both houses of state legislatures and the governorship. and that's the largest number of states under single part
are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over. sanity is contagious. >> now, the question is, is the president going to stay where he is and go, you know what? we're going to do it my way or no other way? we're going to raise it to 90 -- to 39.6%. steve rattner had a great column yesterday. >> it's a must-read. >> you know there's more than one way to skin a cat, more than one way to raise over a trillion dollars in revenues. it doesn't just have to be the president's way. is the white house going to insist on the 39.6% tax rate, or will they consider the loophole part of it plus capital gains, plus a couple of other things? >> well, it looks to me like the white house has learned something over the course of the last four years which is that you don't start a negotiation by negotiating against yourself. >> right. >> you know, the president's taking a hard line right now because he feels as though he campaigned on this issue pretty strongly for the past year. but the president has been willing to compromise on a lot of things in the past
politics." who's afraid of going off the fiscal cliff? well, not anti-tax crusader grover norquist who tells "the wall street journal" he thinks republicans will hold the line on taxes. and if there's no deal, norquist isn't worried, telling "the journal," the woerld won't come to an end if this isn't resolved before january. meanwhile, in "the new york times," warren buffett takes a dig at norquist and others while making his case for a minimum tax on the wealthy. the oracle of omaha writes, "let's forget about the rich and the ultrarich going on strike and stuffing their ample funds under their mattresses if -- gasp -- capital gains rates and ordinary income rates are increased." >>> after weeks of criticism over u.n. ambassador susan rice, senator john mccain who vowed to block her potential nomination as secretary of state appears to be backing off that threat. >> she could conceivably get your vote for secretary of state? >> i think she deserves the ability and the opportunity to explain herself and her position, just as she said. >>> actor ben affleck has long been involved in ef
on the table. he agrees with grover norquist that the tax rates shouldn't be increased and says norquist is wrong capping deductions to buy down the debt. >> graham has been saying raising taxes to give politicians more money to continue spending doesn't solve any problem at all. it's not a piece of solving the problem. >> allowing tax cuts to expire generate average of $82.4 billion a year and would run the government for 8.5 days. the reality is similar to what romney laid out in the campaign. my plan is bring down rates and deductions at the same time so revenue stays in. we bring down rates to get people working. >> they are meeting with ceos, caterpillar and goldman sachs and other key players on the fiscal issues. erskine bowles, coauthor of the simpson-bowles plan, they want the business community to hear their ideas after president obama met with ceos two weeks ago. a big deal should include spending cut and reforms. >> chief white house correspondent ed henry is reporting that both sides cannot agree on whether they are still talking. >> the republicans suggest fiscal talk hit i
d.c. journal the hill." let's do a little refresher. who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another area. after seeing republicans break, where they're saying, listen, we're willing to close tax loopholes to reduce the deficit, now we haven't yet seen that from congressional republican leaders, but we obviously are seeing it from prominent republicans you showed including senator graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we w
or not the republicans will move away from the ideologically rigid position, which has been the grover norquist pledge, which most of them signed, that they will not go for additional revenues. when they move away from that pledge, and they must, as by the way all the presidents that i have ever served with, including reagan, clinton, and the first george bush, moved away from a position no additional taxes. they all added revenues to deficit reduction. a significant amount of revenue. >> your colleague from georgia just this week said the following about that pledge not to raise any taxes. >> you know, that pledge i signed 20 years ago was valid then. it's valid now, but times have changed significantly.Ñi and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> it is my view that the issue of taxes is the number one stumbling block to any kind of fiscal deal. that has to be resolved first before you can get to issues like sequestration. when you hear that from a colleague, does it say to you that there is room, and does the president do anything short of raising tax rates on the
. americans for tax reform grover norquist who has gotten hundreds to sign. >> do you feel like you and your pledge is under assault? >> no. what the pledge allows elected officials to make it clear to the voters where they stand. are at the they going to be able to raise taxes or continue more of the tame saim. >> he will help fund republican challenges against any member of congress that violates the pledge. >> what i think i hear you are saying, we won't go over the cliff? >> i think we will continue to raise taxes but not raise taxes $500 billion. >> while he tries to keep republicans in line, major unions have spent $300,000 targeting democrats hoping to stop any cuts to entitlement programs. >> congressional staffers met over the holiday week. they hope to meet w with the president in the coming week. they hope to have it rapid wrapd up by christmas. >>> jimihendrix has a new album coming out. rolling stones played a rare show in london. a look at the few songs. crisp night. leigh glaser is up next with the forecast. >> i'm mike shumann, 49ers rode the arms and legs colin kapernick. ka
spearheaded by grover norquist. it's proving to be a more complicated position for house gop leaders including eric cantor who gave this answer when asked about norquist's pledge earlier today on morning joe. >> when i go to the constituents that have re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to sa solve problems. >> joining me now is. >> domenico montanro. the statement that eric cantor saenlt september to us or his office sent to us, they're still not for tax rates going up. they're okay. the difference is if you're going to be for revenue, the norquist pledge says that you have to have equal tax cuts to offset, that in other words, keep government like norquist likes to say in the bathtub. he doesn't like it to get too big. i think in that way you might see some republicans violate that pledge but i think it's a muj harder pledge to get them to agree to an increase in tax increases like the president wants. >> you guys in the first read team, political team at msnbc point out that it would allow effective tax rates to rise for the wealthy without raising the tax
are telling grover norquist to take a hike with the "we won't raise taxes" pledge. >>reporter: the fine tuning is they are saying we are okay with close loopholes but they don't want to raise tax rates. the republicans are saying the survey done by a group calls the winston group, a republican research firm, says 65 percent of americans back tax reform and spending cuts over the raising of taxes. here is the senate republican leader on what the g.o.p. is offering. >> without compromising our principles we put skin in the game and recognition to the fact while democrats don't run this town, neither do we. we have been responsible even as we remain firm on this point. no tax increases now for promised spending cuts that you will not materialize later. the american people have seen that game before. they won't be fooled again. >> house republicans are planning to bring in on wednesday a number of c.e.o.'s of caterpillar, goldman sachs and all state and other key players on fiscal includes including erskine bowles co-author of the simpson-bowles and the republicans want the business community to h
grover norquist, condemning his pledge never to raise taxes. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> how's that for a profiling courage? senator graham is standing up to a pledge he made to an unelected official in charge of a group that most americans never heard of. a pledge that's 26 years old. but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and on the entitlement side and as long as there are two parties that are willing to solve this problem, this is a very easy thing to do technically. what it takes is political courage. >> guess
. >> steve: grover norquist has hundreds of republicans to do that. clearly with the fiscal cliff comment and automatic spending cuts and taxes go up on everybody. something has to be done. the feeling is that it will happen two now. republicans have beenadament and said we can't raise taxes on anybody. and glover norquist said as long as you don't raise tax rates that is okay. and lindsay graham on that. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong to cap and buy down debt. what do you do with the money and i will violate the pledge for the good of the country only if the democrats do entitlement reform. >> gretchen: i think the pledge thing is good and bad. if you are a republican and believe that raising taxes is the wrong they think that and fine. but ham stringing politicians and many people lost election over there and turns out times change. peter king is also saying he's going to go against the pledge who agreed to it years and years and his reasoning that times have changed. here is the caviat . you are a republican and don't want to raise taxes and willing to
. that pledge pushed by the conservative activist, grover norquist, has been part of republican orthodoxy for several years which makes statements like these so surprising. listen -- >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseans aware, i was just elected, that will only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i served. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. >> when i go to the constituents that have reelected me, it is not about that pledge. >> eric cantor, the majority leader in the house of representatives. joining us now, kevin mccarthy, the majority whip, the number three republican leader in the house of representatives. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> are you ready to jump on that bandwagon and violate that grover norquist pledge? >> i think what the american people want is to see the problem solved. what we have, we spend more than $1 trillion more than we bring in every year. we have to solve that problem
republicans. a lot are saying they will violate grover norquist's no tax pledge. >> this pledge goes back to 1986 and you're now seeing some republicans saying no i'm going to break this pledge. lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. >> and that's his key difference here. he says he's okay with the no taxes but we do need to raise revenues and if that means cutting back on such things as tax rates, he will do it. also he says the democrats have to come forward here, as well. they have to do entitlements if he's going to break his pledge. zoraida? >> paul steinhauser live in washington for us. thank you. >> we're in the midst of the shopping f
's preference to grover norquist and doesn't want any taxes of any kind and republicans are very clear, they say raise tax revenue and would have to come through limits on deductions, not higher tax rates. however, on the other side of the aisle there's no movement from the democrats, carl levin says, yeah, raise tax rates on the rich. >> they have to go up either real tax rates or effective tax rates, there's ways of at that doing. secondly though we've got to close significant loopholes. >> movement on the republican side, not from the democrats. there are no meetings scheduled for talks for the congressional leaders, and they'll hit the road and sell tax on over a quarter million dollars. maybe he should bring warren buffett along, buffett says he's in favor of raising the tax rate on people making more than $500,000 a year. congress may have less time to figure this all out than we thought. the new rules go into effect january 1st, but we believe that christmas eve may be the real deadline because of course, of the holiday. that's the deadline. very close. high unemployment, slow economic gr
of the year. >> one of the sort of controversial men in the middle here has been grover norquist, one of the few guys in washington who goes by his own name, grover. his first name, i should say. there are reports that some republicans who signed his no tax hike pledge are backing away from him. in the "wall street journal" saturday, he said, no, nobody's backed off. what's the truth here? >> well, he's wrong about that. they are backing away from him. but i have to say, tyler, this is an issue that's much bigger than grover norquist pcht republican party has staked out tax issue for a long time. it is not because of one individual and the pledge, although he's done a very effective job of marketing that and marketing himself. this is about a stance of the republicans as the party of less government. democrats as the party of more government. but i do think because republicans lost the election, because they've had a difficult time, new york jets fans might recognizefy said they've had the equivalent of a butt fumble over the last couple of months. republicans are on the defensive. th
in their pocket or they're not. this is a game to nullify grover norquist. some members put forth an option to tax the first $400,000 of income and people making more than that at 35%. all that does is increase everybody's taxes over 400,000 by 30,000. somebody at 450,000 gets hurt badly and somebody at 20 million isn't touched at all. >> honestly, those are the number that is make some people's head spin and makes -- >> i understand, absolutely. >> and the average constituent say i don't know what's going on here. what is your message to folks? what should they be looking at and how do they figure out where they stand on this? as you may well know, the obama administration is trying to get all of those people who voted for the president to come on board and say this is what we want and to press congress to make a deal but it is sort of hard to figure out what is fair. >> exactly. i said to my staff last week we need a big charge that shows the options and how much money is delivered or caused by each step we might take. i think for the most americans they have to know that no matter what we do, t
officials, but with someone who in the past sometimes held even more power. his name is grover norquist. he's the head of the group called americans for tax reform. 279 members of the current congress signed that group's pledge not to raise taxes ever. but a few of the signers are now saying the pledge is standing in the way of getting a deal done. georgia senator saxby clam chambliss, lindsey graham and corker of tennessee joined the chorus. this is how grover norquist responded this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge-taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it would be spent. if he got, you know, 10-1 ratios on entitlement reform. i've had long conversations with lindsey graham, and he would -- he says i would raise taxes if, and then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. and as i suggested, i said senator, you're offer
, some top republicans suggest they could, shock, horror, break with their sacred pledge to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge i made tennesseans aware is just elected that the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i serve when i'm sworn in this january. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected -- re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> sounds great, doesn't it? only one problem, this apparent kiss-off to the anti-tax guru appears to be pure lip service. as mr. norquist himself expressed this morning in somewhat colorful language. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. we've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would certainly highlight who h
that man's pledge, americans for tax reform president grover norquist who has hundreds of republicans signed. >> do you feel you are under assault? >> no. it allows elected officials to make it clear openly to voters where they stand. are they going to be able to perform in government of raising taxes. >> reporter: norquist's threat that he will help fund republican campaign challenges against those who violate the pledge. >> what i think i hear you saying, we won't go over. >> i think we will continue the tax cuts. not raise taxes $500 billion. >> reporter: while norquist tries to keep republicans in line -- >> protecting medicare, medicare and education from cuts -- >> reporter: major unions have spent millions targeting democrats, hoping to stop the program. congressional staffers met over the holiday week and leaders hope to meet with the president in the coming week. there are predictions it could be wrapped up before christmas. we'll see. >> david kerley, thank you. >>> we are going to turn overseas and a scene of horror. a clothing factory that went up in flames. the workers tr
or not the republicans will move away from the ideologically rigid position which has been the grover/norquist pledge which most of them signed that they will not go for additional revenues. >> reporter: for the first time, even the anti-tax pledge appears to be negotiable. several republicans are indicating they're open to breaking that promise. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> reporter: but new revenue doesn't necessarily mean new taxes. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates. but i do believe we can close a lot of loopholes. >> reporter: and democrats say just closing loopholes and cutting deductions isn't enough. >> you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. >> those have to go up? >> they have to go up. >> reporter: in any deal, republicans insist on big cuts to entitlement programs like medicare and social security. now taxes are getting all the attention right now but these talks also need to address the federal de
americans a big sticking point because the taxpayer protection pledge promoted by grover norquist. he is lobbyist and conservative activists convinced all republican lawmakers to oppose all tax hikes. now 10 gop lawmakers would be willing to break that pledge. senator sachs by chambliss was the first to announce followed by other prominent republicans including senator lindsey graham and john mccain. then the chairman of house homeland security committee, peter king. >> the only pledge we should make is avoid becoming greece. republicans should put revenue on the table. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. the fact the speaker and majority leader and president will be in another room trying to find the best package. i will not prejudge it. jon: joining us now for a fair and balanced debate the doug thorn former communication is chairman for the democratic national committee and congressman chris van hollen. ron bonjean for. former aide to house speaker dennis hastert. has grover norquist lost his will? >> speaker boehner said revenues wou
with some backing away from grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge. we'll discuss what that means for the livelihood of a deal ahead with the "morning joe" crew. >>> and when we come back here, we're going to huddle around the water cooler. we finally have a dollar value for what it would cost to ride a manatee. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] introducing the new dell xps 12. part of a whole new line of tablets from dell. it's changing the conversation. ♪ >>> we told you at the top of the show that a congressional compromise might be in the works that would keep the government from going over the so-called fiscal cliff at the start of 2013. if a deal can't be reached, the vast majority of american families will be affected starting on january 2nd. if you want to sound smart today. >> i want to sound smart. what should i do? >> read the next one. >> how do i sound smart? >> tell your friends 90% of american households would face higher tax bills for 2013 if congress can't come up with a deficit reduction plan to replace the fiscal cliff. a family with a $40,000 to $65,000
is of course this week you see more republicans saying we're not going to hold to this grover norquist idea, norquist being the man everybody who is a republican has to sign a no tax increase -- >> chris: they've already sign it had. >> this week you had saxby chambliss from georgia joining people like john mccain, tom coburn and others and 12 members of the house who say republicans have to be willing to -- we did not win the election. the president's back in office, you have to make a deal. the president needs to deal too. this sometimes doesn't get attention but you heard nancy pelosi, harry reid, they expect a deal along with charlie wrangle before the deadline because the unions are advertising say don't you dare cut our programs badly. you see it advertising from the republican side. both sides are under pressure for a deal now and they're going to make it. >> chris: that's an optimistic view. bill, let me ask you, you can respond to sister chaney about this. one idea that was floated this week is for top earners to pay instead of raising the top are marginal rate they had pay that to
about three prominent republicans who say i don't care about breaking the pledge i gave to grover norquist or what they said. also talking about avoiding the fiscal cliff and why this week might be the key week to avoiding that. susan rice the chance at becoming the next secretary of state. we are going to meet the cheerleader who went bald and joined her at the last minute to join the cause. we will be here live. don't miss a second. [ cheeping ] [ male announcer ] you hear that? that's the sound of car insurance compani these days. here a cheap, there a cheap, everywhere a cheap... you get it. so, what if instead of just a cheap choice, you could make a smart choice? like, esurance for example. they were born online and built to save people money from the beginning. it's what they've always done. not just something they cheap about. that's insurance for the modern world. esurance. now backed by allstate. click or call. >> 125 million people will try to get their holiday shopping done today. some of the best deals out there don't have to do with the gifts it has to do with the pl
that between that and entitlement reform you will get a deal. >> eric: let me ask this question. i call grover norquist, what is going on here? he said read between the lin lines. only when democrats put up their end of the bargain they would negotiate. if they do, they can change the rate and close a loophole and they will violate a no norquist pledge. should they? violate the pledge they won on and run on and may change the tune. >> dana: i never liked pledges about anything. i think when you get elec elected -- right. pledge of allegiance was great. do it every day at school. only pledge is i pledge to uphold the constitution. pledge to make good decisions. if republicans get to a deal where rate goes up less than if the push tax cuts expire, then have you violated the pledge? this is getting -- >> eric: i said don't agree to higher taxes. how do you get away to ask them to sign that. when you might need it. >> bob: who the hell snore let me just tell you. he has 280 people signing -- he is not an elected official. pressure by this is phenomenal. he is right. stop this. >> bob: what does no
the reform entitlements, to avoid a debt crisis. gerri: something else, criticizing grover norquist for his note tax pledge. this would point to a fracturing of the republican party in terms of its support for not raising taxes. what do you make of this? does this come as news to you, will this change the face of the republican party? >> points to the fact there's so much pressure here on republicans. the media putting pressure on republicans, completely misplaced. we have a spending problem. no one is focusing on cutting spending. that will continue until john boehner or somebody else says we're not talking about tax increases so we start talking about cutting spending. gerri: obamacare is an expensive entitlement that is brand new and john boehner, speaker of the house, wrote this, we can't afford it. we can't afford to leave it intact. the law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve the nation's massive debt challenge. it has been put on the table is yet another king, something republicans want on the table. we need to do something about obamacare if we are going t
, grover norquist saying there's no tax pledge. here's a little bit about what we got. a taste of this weekend. listen. >> times have changed significantly, and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. i think we owe the debt, and we to figure out a way to pay it. >> i agree entirely with saxby chambliss. a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841, would i have signed a declaration of war against japan. the wourld has changed, and the economic situation is different. >>> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> all right, dan. you got all these republicans who are basically reversing themselves. what is the white house thinking about all of this? the president? does he feel like now it strengthens his hands going into these negotiations, the next phase? >> you know, the white house would certainly be uncourage bid this. as you know, the republicans
republicans saying, you know, we will not hold to the grover norquist idea, the man who says that everybody who is a republican has to sign a "no tax increase" pledge. >> chris: in fact they've already signed it. >> in some cases but this week you had people like saxby chambliss, joining people like your guest this morning, john mccain, tom coburn and others and 12 members of the house, saying, republicans have to be willing to compromise. we did not win, clearly, this election, and the president is back in office, you have to make some kind of deal and so the president's side, he needs to deal, too. and sometimes it doesn't get attention from the press but you heard nancy pelosi and harry reid saying they expect a deal along with charlie rangel before the december 31 deadline and the unions are on the air saying, don't cut our programs badly and the republican side, both sides are under pressure for a deal, right now and they will make it. >> chris: well, that is an optimistic view. bill, let me ask you, you can respond to sister cheney about this. one idea floated this week is for top ear
that they are not obligated to this anti-tax pledge they all signed by grover norquist. does that suggest we're closer to compromise? >> we're closer but it may only be measured with a mike kromtcrometer. the big deal, how do you get it? the president said he doesn't see a way to get it without raising those tax rates on the most healthy. republicans, even those inches towards compromise saying yes, for revenue, but don't want to see rates go up at all. then it gets into a counting question. how much money can you get through fixing the tax code? once you tinker with the tax code you invite swarms of lobbyists and a timing question. can you raise enough revenue through tweaking the tax code by the end of the year to get something done or do you have to do a shoert deal and the harder work of tax reform later? there's entitlements major mentioned. >> also momentum and having the results of an election. do you feel that there is a difference this time so that maybe they can push it over the hill? >> certainly in talking to white house officials, they say, you know elections have a
this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> i haven't talked to grover norquist so i don't know. >> we have had some people
classmate grover norquist, the anti-tax crusader who came out swinging this weekend reminding republicans who signed the no new tax pledge to not discuss impure thoughts if they talk about taxes on national television. i know important apornography w it. it made it very clear that any republican who signed the pledge, that's pretty much every republican in congress, who balks at someone whose career is over. to me, that meant the defectors are far and few between. as a moderate leadership cannot deliver those pledge to the norquist hardline. norquist who seems to welcome a bust on the wall of shame, used to beg for it, is more powerful than speaker john boehner. norquist is more powerful than boehner. it feels as if the air went out of the compromise zeppelin. hey, like the graph zeppelin, like, lakers. retail, now we're hearing that there wasn't as much follow-through to the initial sales from thursday night. i think it's nonsense, but mo macy's and costco were tagged with huge loss es today. i believe the holiday sales are far are flat-out strong. amazing numbers from apple, like a rock
, i'd rather leave the money in my savings account earning a quarter of 1%. only a grover norquist imagination does such a response exist. foos what he thinks should be done in washington, he says he supports president obama's proposal to eliminate the bush tax cuts for high income taxpayers. however, he says he prefers a cut off points somewhere above $250,000, maybe 500 thud or so. additionally, he says we need congress right new to enact a minimum tax on high incomes. buffett is suggests 20% between $1 million and $10 million and 30% on amounts above that and that's something he had laid out before. the real definition of the buffett rule. >> i always thought he was uncomfortable about the way the buffett rule was constructed and felt uncomfortable about saying something about it. because remember, he never really spoke openly about it, he would intimate that 250 might not be his number. >> the buffett rule is 30%. >> but then he's also talking about the 500. >> but that's not the buffett rule. but if you're doing tax reform, then you're not going up anyway. >> i think the main
that was signed, that grover norquist orchestrated pledge that was signed by so many members to not raise taxes under any circumstances. did you sign that, and how do you feel about it now? >> oh, i signed it and i absolutely believe we don't have to raise taxes now. we can get this country spending under control through frgual management and good effective management of this out of control government but we've got to deal with the crisis we face. we have to deal with the political reality of the president's victory. so we'll wrestle with all of that as we go forward but i want to see and insist that this money be used to reduce the deficit if there is any revenue coming in. martha: i want to ask you this one more time. when you look at the statements by senator lindsey graham and senator sachs by chambliss who basically said i'm willing to revisit the tax pledge but only if we get real commensurate spending cuts, what do you think about that posture from them? >> well, lindsey's, he is a member of the budget committee which i'm ranking republican on. lindsey has said that before. this is not n
pick up on that because we've seen a few republicans peeling off from a pledge they signed to grover norquist who, of course, is an anti-tax lobbyist works has been very powerful among conservatives. is that a significant move when you start seeing senators like lindsey grak, sacxby chambliss saying i'm not going to stick to the deal. >> reporter: i'll be waiting to see if house republicans do it. all the areas where republicans are softening. it's senate republicans. if the deal could be cut between senate republicans and the white house, we wouldn't be talking about this, wouldn't have a segment because the fiscal cliff wouldn't be an issue. the house republicans have to worry about primaries and that's the problem for the white house and frankly for house speaker john boehner. he may want to cut a deal but may not have the votes because these guys might be on a primary suicide mission, some of these house republicans, if they side with raising tax rates. if they raise taxes they will lose the primary and there's no general election, they don't have to where he about voters. >> are
said publicly regardless of this grover norquist pledge, my pledge is -- i'm from pra phrasing, my pledge is to the people of america. we need more on both sides of the aisle to step up in that spirit to avoid this fiscal cliff. we can. with the president's leadership and the cooperation of the speaker we can get it done. for ten days, not much has happened. there's been a big thanksgiving break, a lieutenant of turkey and stuffing, now let's get back to business. we're back in session. roll up our sleeves, get it done. we can address this fiscal cliff and set up a plan with the president that is reasonable. weernd to do that on a bipartisan basis. and -- we need to do that on a bipartisan basis. i yield the floor. a senator: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator would hold. under the previous order, the leadership time is reserved and under the previous order, senators are permitted to speak for up to ten minutes each. for the information of the senate, the pending business is s. 3525, which the senate is considering postcloture. the senator from virginia is recognized
to negotiate? some republicans are looking to back away from the grover norquist tax pledge if they can see tax reform on the table. guest: there is a problem -- it's going to be in the house. can john boehner get enough republican house members to support something like this? i think that is an open question. if nothing happens, the sequestration takes over. what makes this a good possibility that something will get done. the republicans' most concerned about this are folks like lindsey graham who are very worried about the defense cuts. will the republicans' desire for a strong national defense overcome their concerns for raising taxes? i do not think republicans will raise tax rates. i do not think it will raise capital gains. will democrats go along with that? state-owny tuned. host: are there other republicans you're waiting to see come out and send signals? guest: i did nothing so with king. he is been a modern big city republican. nothing wrong with that. the republicans that are signaling that might be amenable to a deal are the usual suspects so far. will somebody rise that will surpr
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